I'm Nicole Fisher. I design spaces for a living, crafting those wow moments our clients get to enjoy every single day. And I've spent the last 13 years figuring out what people really want versus what they think they want. Turns out that applies to basically everything in life. So pull up a chair. This is The Interior Perspective. Hello, hello. Welcome back to The Interior Perspective. I am here with my bestie, Patrick Mazierski. We had such good feedback from our last episode that we just had to get you back in here, like, literally as quickly as possible. I am honored, humbled and honored. I'm just so excited to have you back. So we're gonna start off with, like, this new segment that we're running, and it's about reading the room. So as designers, we are consistently reading people, And I wanna take this moment to go outside of design and say, like, who just totally missed the mark on reading the room? And I am going to jumpstart this with our dear friend Justin Bieber at the World Cup, because homeboy came in there and totally did not read the fact that there were screaming fans who just wanted to party and drink and have a good time. And he came in there singing this, like, very, very sad song with his guitar, and just, like, the whole mood just, like, came down. Yeah. And then you got Shakira putting on this incredible performance. I mean, it was just hilarious, in my opinion, to have that type of performance in this venue. So that's my read the room for the week. Please give me yours. Well, what's really funny is I did not watch the World Cup. I did not watch the halftime show. In fact, I do believe when that was on, I was having a chill afternoon rewatching The OC. Hell yes. One of my comfort shows. Um, and every once in a while I just throw on season 1 because it just reminds me of that time when I was a young boy in Canada longing to live in California. And look at me now. But I digress. Um, I mean, so many people probably didn't read the room in that episode. Um, Julie Cooper-Nichol. 100%. I mean, she didn't read the room when she walked into the cafe and saw Sandy sitting— or didn't see Sandy sitting there and started running her mouth. Um, gosh, there's, there's so many options. Let's just— I guess we can just leave it at that. We're leaving it at Julie did not read the room. Hell, like the whole show she did not read the room. The whole show. That was the girl. Which provided some entertaining moments and, uh, outbursts and, uh, drama. Yeah. Oh my gosh, I love it so much. Um, okay, so what I loved about, and like some amazing feedback we got from the last episode, was that we were really able to kind of cross this not only business but also fun, but also talk about like some serious stuff, but also, you know, be a little bit lighthearted about, um, different topics. So I love that we're able to kind of cross all of these things off and really just like get into it because you and I have so many There's so many different interests. There's so many things that we're doing on a daily basis. So I'm going right into this idea of like, I don't know if you've been feeling this, but Mercury in retrograde has been just next level. I feel like— We just came out of it though. We just came out of it today. Right. But before today, it's as if the Earth was collapsing. I haven't experienced the crazy that I have experienced in the last And you and I were both recently broken up with by clients. And I want to get into it. I really want to get into the, like, the why, the why and the how it really, like, affects us. And like, what does this even mean? Are people crazy or are we just— do we have stuff to work on? Like, what? Tell me about your experience. I mean, I would— the short answer to the last thing you just said is we always have something to work on and there's never been a situation where a project has fizzled, or it's been me breaking up with a client or a client breaking up with me where I haven't learned something. Yeah. So it's all a learning lesson at the end of the day, which is the most positive spin we can put on something as negative as a breakup. Nobody likes breakup. Nobody likes being broken up with. That's the worst. And I would say that the biggest learning lesson or takeaway that I've had anytime a project has gone away for whatever reason has been about trusting my gut, which I know sounds cheesy, but any— like, I've trusted my gut so much in my life and done so confidently, and big strides, big moves, cross-country moves, moving from Canada to the States, all that stuff. And I've trusted my gut, felt it was good, and it's always— it's never led me astray. And I remember in the early days of working on some projects or with some clients feeling a certain way or questioning a certain something, but it might have been a time in my career when I was still growing and needed to take on whatever I had to to keep the lights on, or I was entrenched in my career but felt I needed to take on a project for a certain reason, but I always had apprehension or my project manager or designer would be like, I don't know, I don't know about this. And I'd be like, no, it'll be fine. They'll be fine. It'll be fine. And then it fizzles or ends. And I always think back to those initial meetings when there was hesitation or doubt. And I'm like, I should have listened to my gut. It's never led me astray. So listen to your gut. It sounds trite, it sounds so cliché, but if you have an intuition about you at all, or if you have experienced listening to your gut and it going one way or another, just keep doing that. Listen to your gut. Do you think that this is really because you not only didn't listen to yourself, but also where did that come from? Is that coming from an idea of you and I aren't vibing and I'm trying to force this? Or I'm not reading the red flags? Where's that coming from? Well, I do think of myself as a very personable person. I get along with a lot of types of people in my whole life. I've spoken to whoever without hesitation. And I think I've learned how to spot certain character traits or a certain type of person who then proves me right about a negative quality or characteristic about them. So I think it is experience and time and talking to a ton of different types of people just to spot those red flags. But yeah, it's red flags. I mean, It's the way they say something or the questions they ask. Or nowadays it's more like a client who you explain your process to, but they aren't quite grasping it and trying to manipulate your process or something. There's so many examples. But yeah, how about you? Is it red flags? I mean, it's usually around red flags to do with process. around money that they just like don't understand how much this like actually costs. Timeline, how long it actually takes to like execute something. Or just, you know, we're like, we are full service, right? So if they wanna like micromanage and nitpick and like be a part of like the whole process, I'm like, no, this is like not gonna work out. But to your point, there were so many times in the beginning where it's just like, I need to keep the lights on. I'm going to work with these people. I know it's not right. But I'm going to figure it out. And I'd like to think that over time we've gotten much better at it. But this last client, and granted, this has not really happened to me before in such an abrupt, you know, we're ending the relationship way. And it was just like I was speechless. Like, I was in shock. It came out of nowhere and it wasn't even negative. It was like, It all ended on positive terms, which was kind of even like more of a mindfuck to me too. It's just, you know, I'm just like, I don't get it like at all. Like, we did a good job, but like, you don't want to work with me anymore? Like, I don't get it. And I think it's really because we get so, so, so intertwined in their life. We get so personal with them. So it's not just like a breakup professionally. It really is this personal thing that you, you can't help but like take seriously and so And it just, these relationships are crazy how we build them with these people. Did that particular, and obviously we're not talking specifically about anyone, but were there red flags or was it complete like— No, blindside, completely blindside. I know it's confusing, but it's one thing from a business perspective. Okay, now I can't allocate certain resources and whatnot, but it's also like, I, you invested. I got to know you. I got emotional energy emotionally into this project. Like, I got to think about how you and your family were going to live here and like have Thanksgiving, you know what I mean? Like, I just got so deeply involved. And I know you get so like deeply involved, but that's part of the gig. Yeah. And actually, if I may, this is actually making me think of another aspect. I know in the last episode we were on together, we talked about the wildfire projects here in LA and how the pod— that episode was very much about the professional side of the wildfires, how our firm had to pivot and get uncomfortable to handle a completely different type of client and project and all that stuff. And I think what I failed to convey completely in that episode was the human pillar of the wildfire stuff, because it very much is the professional side and the stuff that clients don't see. And then there's the human side. And to your point, my God, you can't get more human than working with a client who's gone through something like that and asking them to come in and share their trauma. but also open up about their life. Like, to your point, where they celebrated Thanksgiving, who was coming in and out of their home. Some families, you know, had, you know, elderly family living with them. There were multi-generations in there. And my God, the biggest thing as a designer, I think wildfire or non-wildfire, I am humbled by people who come in here and in a few short meetings feel like they can open up. to us about where they come from, you know, what they went through, what's important to them, where they vacationed, you know, who's passed away in their family, what heirlooms they have. Like, you open up a whole thing. And, you know, I just want to say this because I think I was getting some, like, mixed feedback about the wildfire chat last time, that the human side of it is the most humbling. And honestly, this is going to be the wrong word to say, but beautiful part of what we do. You know, we get to learn about these people, and especially those people coming from the Altadena wildfires were real members of the community, you know, like teachers, civil servants, Little League coaches. And, you know, it was heartbreaking, but I was so humbled and honored that they came in here and entrusted us with, you know, their life in that community and how they wanted to get back to it. So To take it all back, though, to like breaking up, you know, when a project ends, whether it's amicable or not, you've invested so much of your heart and your team has invested so much of their heart. And it's heartbreaking to see a project go, you know, for whatever reason. Right. Do you consider that like a— how do you end these, like a conscious uncoupling? Like we're mutually agreeing to uncouple at this point. Yeah, I mean, most of that, like if we're talking about the wildfires, you know, a lot of them were kind of a mutual uncoupling because of whatever reason, or we fulfilled the scope that they needed to do what they needed to do. You know, we got them a construction drawing set and that's all they really needed and they were gonna take it from there. But even in those moments where you're consciously doing it, you have moments where you're like, I wonder, or I wonder how it's going, or I wonder, you know, I wish I could like walk the home with them. And I, I'm still on great terms with even the wildfires that we didn't fulfill to the complete end. So I'm sure we'll, we'll walk through those sites. But yeah, it is, it is a conscious uncoupling. Only a couple of them, only a couple of projects in my career ended on with a bad taste in my mouth, you know? Um, and I just, I'll chalk those up to just learning lessons. Totally. What did I learn from them? And the others were on good terms, like it's all good. And we hopefully gave them something, we were able to provide something that was very useful and meaningful to them. And that's where we left it. Of course, I think there's something so incredibly— it is beautiful. It's incredible because we work in this almost superficial, industry where you have to, like, you have to put a different hat on, but like still do your job, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, required an entirely different set of skills and knowledge and understanding and like relationship building with people that like, you know, we haven't had an opportunity like that. But like to, to get to a deeper, even deeper level, I didn't think was like possible, you know? I know where you're like where you keep your underwear. Like, I thought it— like, that was like as deep as it gets, but like, it gets deeper. And it's just someone I was interviewing, a client today, and they asked me about like, what do you do with like people who have like 2 different tastes? Like a couple who has 2 different tastes? And I'm like, 75% of my job is therapy. That's just— that's just what it is. We are— we're basically full-time therapists with like taste. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. No, you're totally right. Oh my gosh. Right. I love that. And I was just thinking about, like, our industry in general and putting on this almost— we're selling a vision, right? That's like what we're doing for our projects. We're selling this idea of, like, confidence, really. So do you think any of these breakups Wildfires aside, any of these, like, breakups for us have to do with that. Like, we weren't aligned in that from the beginning. Yeah. I mean, can you repeat the question? Because I got a lot of confidence. Like, there's one aspect of, like, confidence in the project. Is it like lack— is like the client lacking confidence in us or we're lacking confidence? Oh no, I didn't even think about it that way. No, but that's like a great— I know my idea was that like, it's just we're selling a vision and we have to be confident about that vision. But also like, if they knew how to do it themselves, they would just do it, right? But they're like— I think that the clients that were least successful were the ones who came in micromanaging it. Like you said earlier, micromanaging some part of the situation. Or thinking that, honestly, I've had some clients who maybe it felt like they were reluctantly working with a designer cuz they're like, I have taste, I know how to design, and questioned everything we did. Mm-hmm. And it's like, no, you have to— one of the biggest parts of collaborating or engaging a designer is relinquishing, trusting them to provide, you know, to do it, not question everything they they do or say. And of course there's gonna be moments where they're like, I was hoping for a few more pops of color or a little bit more of this direction. But if you have the foundational elements of that initial concept or design package and you're just tweaking a few things, then you're still in a really good place. But if they're like, you know, if you're presenting a design and they're like, well, I really thought the range was gonna go right here and you put it right here. And I'm like, okay, well then this is gonna go nowhere because I thought there was like a method to this, or I saw this on Pinterest, or I read this on ChatGPT, whatever. But it's like, okay, but I have the experience to back it up, and you're just like off-the-cuff research. You got to let me do my job, man. There's just— You got to let me do my job. Or like, I love it when they're like, why did you choose this instead of say something like this? And I'm like, How do I answer that? Yeah, because I can see it in my head. I know what goes together. I have the whole, like, you know, you know, the whole showroom in my head. So I know what's going to work best with this. I don't know. You know? Yeah, I don't— people are— people are next level. I always wonder, I just, I always wonder, like, why, why do you hire a designer? Like, some people just— is it like validation? Is it like You want to say you hire design? Like, sometimes those people, sometimes people, I'm just like, why? Why? Why are we here? Why are we in this relationship? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is, it is so obvious to say, but like, as a designer, my favorite clients are the ones who are like, I don't know anything about design. I just know what I want the space to feel like. And it totally And then you gather that information. And a huge part of our programming at Beau Geste is not even about like the literal things anyways. It's about, you know, where you vacationed, where you were born, you know, what your cultural identity is. And then we draw from all that to kind of piece it together. And obviously you need the practical stuff, like what size range do you want? But yeah, it's all about like reading, literally reading between the lines, like hearing about what they want in more abstract terms. can lead to a more successful design. Yeah. You know, no, 100%. Okay, I'm pivoting for our next section because you and I just— we both not at the same time, but like some kind of— we just both saw Death of a Salesman. Oh, get the Kleenex. Sorry. And I— and I I can't help— okay, besides the fact that it was like unfucking believable, I loved it. It was amazing. Nathan Lane's like, I'm obsessed with him. But like, I couldn't help leave that show and just think like, are we doing all of this for nothing? Like, it had such a feeling to me of like, all this work, all these things that we do for other people, especially on such a superficial level, really, we're not saving lives here. Yeah. That what is it all like for? Like, you know, when you're not remembered and like he's got no one at his funeral, like no one to— but I was just like, oh, for nothing. Oh God, I got chills just thinking about that scene. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. And just like this, like putting, you know, smoke up his own ass to like make himself feel better and like project and like doing the work without recognition. You know, we do it all the time and like putting Constantly, constantly putting it out there without getting anything positive back. Yeah, yeah, no, you're totally right. And like, if you don't have your retirement savings plan in order, do it now because my God, I'm like, oh, I gotta contribute to my Roth IRA right away. But yeah, it was eye-opening. And someone— it's so funny, someone here in LA, a friend of mine from the gym, a coach at the gym, was— he's also an actor. Welcome to LA. And he had seen it before, not the latest version on Broadway, but apparently it was happening all over the country. There was Death of a Salesman happening so much in theaters across the country. Wow. So he had seen a couple recent renditions or whatever you wanna call it. And he was like, why are we still— isn't it like a bit antiquated, this Death of a Salesman play and the script and the story? Are you kidding me? In a world as dark as we are in right now, this— and we'll probably have dark times many times in the future— this is still so topical and relevant. And what does it all mean? What is it all for in the grand scheme of the grand world? Luckily, as designers, we— certain types of designers, you and me included— seek out recognition or receive recognition, which is great. Hopefully we will not be forgotten anytime soon. But yeah, it was really hitting it home during that play that what are we doing it all for? What are we doing it all for? What are we killing ourselves for? And again, I think you and I are also really good about hustling and hustling and hustling, but then living our lives as well and reaping the rewards of what we do. But man, you get down in the trenches sometimes and you are like, I'm in a position right now where I'm like, I just bought a new home a year and a half ago. We haven't touched it yet. And I'm like, when do I get to remodel my home? When is it my turn? So I hear you completely. Well, there's nothing worse than spending your own money. I mean, I feel like that. I know. I know. So good at spending other people's money. But also to your point about like, What do we do it all for? I don't know that what Willy Loman did in Death of a Salesman was really earth-shattering stuff to the people he was selling to. I don't even remember what he was selling, knives? I don't even know. I think— me neither. So there's something about a door-to-door salesman selling something that you just buy and then use, but I don't know anyone who's bought a knife and remembers their time at Williams-Sonoma while they're chopping. But us as designers, hopefully what we do in their home is way more meaningful and long-lasting and helps them live their life with ease to the point where they're like, we're so glad we decided to go with a designer because I can't even imagine this place without having done this, this, or this. Right. Not that we're— this isn't a martyr thing, but it's so nice to know that, to the point, what we were talking about earlier about how emotionally invested we are in these people's lives, that translates to how they live their life in the space they're in. And the last episode we did, we talked about how there's nothing, quote unquote, there's nothing practical about design, which is sort of true, but also The way they move through their home or feel in their home is a very real thing. And, and hopefully, you know, our legacy continues. But man, what a depressing play. I'm glad I could bring it up. Yeah. Thanks for reminding me. I really felt great about my life leaving that theater, actually. Did you? Well, I mean, at least I don't have it that bad or feel that way. It literally made me, like, rethink. It made me, like, just think about everything. It made me think about, like, my upbringing and, like, Oh my God, like, I just— there was so much about my life that is so similar in this, like, overinflated perception, you know, especially, you know, I'm sure LA is exactly the same way of this life of keeping up with the Joneses. And before you have, like, money, you need to pretend like you do. And, you know, to— Before you've got clients, you need to pretend that you have a waiting list. And before, you know, before we get to where we are, we need to pretend like we belong in the room. So Willy Loman was faking it until he— well, he didn't make it. He faked it for his whole life and never made it, right? I mean, I think that was like one of the premises of like, you just never knew if he was a bullshit artist like the whole time. Exactly. I think he was like, right? Because no one— He absolutely was. And what was the most depressing is at the end of his life, Is when people— well, he was starting to recognize it and people were starting to call him out on it, you know, like, right, boss or his boss's son, that guy. Like, my God, what a dick. What a dick. But also, oh my God, when he picks up the cap of the coffee cup. Oh my God. Oh, I know. I feel like the whole theater went— Yeah, I was like, oh my God, dead silent. Oh my God. Wait, did you have a lot of people coughing in the theater because of like all the smoke? Did you go to a matinee? Yes. I, I went to a matinee too. I think it was just that demographic of people who go to a matinee were a little less aware. Like, I feel like evening theatergoers are a little more— I don't know if they were coughing because of the smoke, but I had phones going off. We did too. Oh my gosh, like ringtones, like not ringing, like Shane and I were like, are you kidding me? And I'm a kid who grew up— I was a drama kid. Can you believe it? I was a drama kid. Fansies! Fansies! And I grew up going on school trips to prestigious theaters in Toronto and seeing it. And that, I mean, when that was happening at the Winter Park Theatre, I was like, is this for real? It happened like 4 times. It happened 4 times for us too. Oh my God, we had the exact same experience. Hilarious. I mean, yes, I was just like, who still has a fucking— here's a call to visitors to New York and visitors to Broadway. Silence your phones, please. You don't know how to do it? Ask a friend. Phone a friend, but not your neighbor. Not while you're watching. Oh my God. But you saw this with Nathan Lane, right? I saw it with Nathan Lane. Laurie Metcalf. Laurie. Oh, she's so— honestly, they were all amazing. Like, every single one of them were just like We're so, so, so good. But Nathan, like, oh my God, um, Birdcage is low-key like one of my favorite movies. Oh my God, so good. So good and so gay. I love— so gay. I think I'm just like a— I think deep down inside I'm just a gay man. That's just— yeah, there are worse things to be. We all are. And then like 2 days later, so I'm like super depressed and like having this existential crisis watching this show and then like 2 days later we go see O'Mary with Meg Salter. And I need to see it. Oh my God, she is so— so I've seen— I saw it with Cole Scola a few months ago, whatever, a year ago. And then I saw it with her and like, she is— she's just so funny. Like, she's amazing. And my favorite part about this whole thing is that it was like on her bucket list. Like, she said it in an interview years ago. Like, if I make it, I want to play Mary. And if I make it on there, I'm going to, like, buy everyone in Ohio, like, a car or some crazy shit. I love it. And she did it. But, like, what a— I'm— do you believe in manifesting? I haven't seen it, but how does Oh Mary translate to our design profession? Let's, let's make the connection. You're like, it doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. Her dress could inspire some drapes, perhaps. Yeah. No, absolutely not. What I love, I think the way this all connects for me is her ability to put herself out there in such a different way and then manifest this for herself as this pinnacle and then let it come to fruition. We all have these crazy over-the-top goals and dreams and whatever, no matter what profession we're in. Yeah. She spoke it into existence. She made it fucking happen. Into existence. Yeah, 100%. 100%. Back to fake it till you make it. Wow. Similar themes. Oh, Mary and Death of a Salesman. Fake it till you make it. Fake it till you make it. But also, like, us, we're doing the same shit. Absolutely. I spent years faking it till I made it. This is a green screen behind me. I knew it. It looks so You're so full of shit. I love it. That's amazing. But I bring her up because, like, we did the same type of thing, you know, 9 months ago. I had a team meeting and I put on, like, the 3-year vision board. We're doing like, I want to be in Kips Bay. And 6 months later, That was on the 3-year plan. 6 months later, we got the email and it was— Girl. Crazy. Girl. Crazy. Can I congratulate you? Like, I don't want to— Oh yeah, you can. Congratu-fucking-lations. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, we're very excited about it. And the craziest part about it is that back to what we were first talking about, this client broke up with me. 30 seconds later, I got that email. Yeah, I am not even— I, I was staring at the phone. I hung it up like with my mouth open and I just like pivoted to my computer and that like popped up on my freaking screen. That's what happens. Like the universe was making room for this bigger entity. So clear the, clear the runway. You're ready for takeoff. Clear the runway because you know what? It's It feels like this is a moment of recognition. This is like— Tell me how you feel. I want to know how you feel right now. And then I want to— are you able to share a little bit about your vision for the install? I want to hear. I can give you little tidbits. Okay. So the Kips Bay, especially in New York, it feels like it's a big deal. It's one of those I think for a designer, it's one of the things that you get recognized for that, you know, it feels similar to like really high-end press. Like it's just one of those things where if you're asked to be a part of it, it's like you're on the right path, you're doing a good job, you know, and people want to see what you're doing. And it just It all feels so validating for not only the work that we're doing, but the crazy change with moving back to New York City, with uprooting the family, changing so much of the team, adding people. All of these decisions that at the time felt like, are you psychopaths? Feels like it was done for a reason. And this feels like that, that really cemented validation for me. And you're a New York— you're a New York girly. So like, New York girly, Kicks Bay has probably been on your radar your entire professional career, and it's always just been right there. And to work with an organization that's so rooted in New York and it's the Boys and Girls Club. Yeah, the Boys and Girls Club, right? So rooted in that and in the community. And gosh, it's— I'm just so happy for you. That's so— Thanks. Awesome. Yeah, I'm really excited. However, it's, you know, it's just nuts what you're asked to do in the short amount of time. And we were just kicking into high gear. What, you have 6 weeks? I've got What, 5 weeks? I've got 5 weeks. Good Lord. Yeah, crazy. And I'm going— What are you doing here? Get to work. Crazy. This is why we have a team. This is why we have a team to make sure shit is getting done while other shit is happening simultaneously. So no, we're doing— we have the rooftop space. So at first I was like, I don't love doing outdoor, but then it felt like a really good challenge for me to like push us into it. And I'm glad we did because we were able to just come up with a design that is amazing. I'm so excited about it. We are creating a like after-hours members-only club on the roof. Love it. And it will be Just somewhere chic, sexy, vibey. All the things that we hope to bring to all of our projects. But— I love it. On a more, more hospitality vibe. That's, you know— Is it like a full rooftop space? Yeah. So it's like— How many square feet are you designing? It is— I mean, I don't know how many square feet that top— oh God, that's a great question. I don't know. It's fairly large. I want to say it's like 700 square feet. Decent rooftop. Loving it. Yeah. And it's a townhouse in the West Village. There's so much history there. The building is like super cool. It's super modern. Travis Scott and Kendall Jenner like lived there like 2 years ago. Royalty. It's just like there's been a lot of interesting people who've been there. And not Kendall, Kylie Jenner. And yeah, every designer gets like their own space and just puts their own, you know, creates their own world in their rooms and that's it. But I'm so excited. We're like, we're kind of— you're supposed to be the first spot because they tell people to go to the roof first and work their way down. That's how like— Oh, interesting. It's supposed to be experienced. Yeah. 7 floors up. I'm like, you better get that elevator working because that's a lot of steps. Yeah. Well, I am going to make a trip to New York and I'm going to see you there. Hell yeah, you are. Excited. I am so excited. It'll be my first visit to Kips Bay as well. But man alive, have I been seeing it over the years and every designer that I you know, cherish or look up to, like, you know, has been involved in some way. So you, you go, girl. You go, girl. You go, Glen Coco. I love it. Oh my God, that's amazing. So before New York, what are your other— what do you got going on this summer? Summer plans? I mean, just continuing to hustle. We just signed on a couple new projects. So the rest of 2020— A couple? Thanks. I mean, you know, small, large, but they're gonna, they're gonna take us to basically the end of the year. Um, professionally in the office, um, full steam ahead with like a bit of a rebrand. I'm having someone drawing, drawing up a new logo. Ooh. Actually a tattoo artist from my hometown Toronto who is— Cool. Uh, gonna be coming up, uh, with a new logo for us. So like kicking off 2027 with kind of like a rebrand, but I'm working on that now. Is it going to be your name or you're doing— No, it's going to still be Beau Geste. I'm keeping Beau Geste. You know what's so funny about the term Beau Geste, which basically nobody can say at first, is that I thought of it as a bit cheesy at first. I wanted something French. My mother's French Canadian. I wanted a French turn of phrase. I loved it because it translates to handsome gesture or nice gesture, which I thought was really nice. And 4 or 5 years later, the logo and the branding is just what I had to put together to start the business. And so I'm ready to refresh the look, but I love the name Beau Geste. It means so much to me, even leaning European or Parisian or French on that side of things, which People in France poo-poo people in Quebec, but I'm going to be like bridging gaps, crossing borders. We're bringing that French to this French. Yeah. And I want to lean into that, but also just develop the ethos a little bit more here. And now that we are kind of more of a well-oiled machine after all these years, I can pivot my focus to the company and working on the company instead of just in the company. So that's a really good— that is like— it's— I mean, it's refreshing. It's like a pivotal moment in business building when you are able to work on it and not in it. And like, honestly, the name really helps to not having your name attached to it, you know, if and when you ever want to, you know, sell or be totally exited. It makes you ever think about— did you ever think about naming your firm anything but Nicole Fisher? So I— it used to be BNR Interiors, which was by Nicole Rose when I first started. And that was always like a very confusing thing for people. Like, it was always this crazy part of a conversation that I would have to be like, what does that mean? Are those your initials? Did you change your name? Like, what is that? Like what? And it was so confusing. And I was just like, you know what? I'm changing it. I'm rebranding. It was like part of this rebrand that we did, like, year and a half ago. Okay. And yeah, so I don't know, it has— everything has its like merits. But, um, for, for me, and especially like moving back to the city, it felt like the name was like the right move. Um, and I didn't have like a personal connection with what, what, you know, the, the old name was for me. So I think that you have because you, like, love it, like, it's amazing. Keep it. Yeah, no, I do. And plus, Mazierski is harder for people to say than Beaujast. So, like, correct. Yeah, I thought about calling it Patrick Mazierski Designs, but, like, it's, it's, you know, it doesn't roll off the tongue. It doesn't roll off the tongue. And I could, you know, my Instagram handle is Patrick M. Design. Like, I could have called it Patrick M. Design, but no. So, like, no, I just, I thought, and I'm a big believer in never forgetting where you come from and your roots. You know, I think I did have some Québécois cousins who were like, uh, Beau Geste, that's a little cheesy. But I don't care. You know, outside of Quebec, it's all good. Yeah, you're creating like international treaties with your, your name. Absolutely. Absolutely. We're going international, baby. I'm a citizen of the world. Citizen of the world. I love it. Wait, so then you obviously you speak French? Oui, je parle français. Est-ce que tu parles français? Non, un peu. Tu viens d'aller à Paris et tu n'as pas parlé en français? Oui. Non. They look at me and they go like, okay, they respond to me in English, but I try. I mean, they do that to me too. They hear my Quebecois accent and they're like, absolutely not. Not to mention my French. I've lost so much of my French that it is a struggle for me. So I get it. But when I go to France, I try to practice and I'm like, please entertain me. Throw me a bone. Order my cheese in French. Right. They're like, no, no, thank you. No, I love it. All right, we're going to close this out with a different segment that we're calling Confessions of a Hustler. So I'm going to ask you a few questions. Oh, okay. Because you know what? You and I are fucking hustlers, and that's like the name of the game because that's what it takes to be where we are and to be as hungry as we are. So Okay, here we are. All right. Confess the client red flag you ignored because the project was too good. Husband and wife fighting, excusing themselves to go to the next room to fight and then come back like completely, like completely. It was like, it was crazy. It was. Yeah, yeah. Husband and wife fighting basically is the red flag. At least they did it like away from you. But it was, it was a little like systematic, like robotic. It was like, Can you excuse us for a second? Other room. Come back completely like— Give me the pillow to go scream in. Yeah, yeah, yep, yep. Oh my, that's actually hilarious. Um, okay, confess a moment when you were fully— we're going back to Willy Loman— and no one knew. Because it took such an emotional toll Honestly, I'm talking about this on the human level now. Those first few months of the Wildfire Project was very emotionally— I'm not going to call myself an empath because I think that's a little self-inflated, but I feel like I am an empathetic person. So absorbing a dozen of those stories within 2 months definitely took an emotional toll on me, which obviously we came out of. But I'd say that Emotionally, those beginning few months of the wildfires, definitely. Yeah. And lastly, confess the room you have in your own home that would horrify your clients. Okay. We live in a 3-bedroom, 1-bathroom bungalow. No, 1 bath. Yeah. So and that 1 bathroom is So 2001 Home Depot special faux travertine on the floor, up the walls, painted like millwork that had clearly gone bad or like water damage that was just painted white over by the previous owners. But like I said, we have not touched the home yet. Mm-hmm. And that is the room that I am mortified whenever someone comes over, apologetic about. The first course of action for our home, truth be told, is to take the tiniest little third bedroom And turn it into an en suite bathroom and walk— it's going to be like a walk-through closet. Basically turn the one bedroom into a proper principal suite, and then we will remodel the second bathroom. But adding a second bathroom is the most pressing project. But that bathroom, Nicole, one day when you're visiting LA, you will see. Hopefully I haven't remodeled it because you need to just take it all in in real life. Oh my gosh. All right, now I have to see it. It's not good. It's not good. Like original aluminum frosted window that has no, no, like temperature control. So in the winter when the heat's on, it gets so disgustingly moist. It's like, it's not good. Okay, well, on the term of moist, we're going to end it for today. So thank you. You're not a lover of the moist? I don't know why. Darling, for being here. I I always love talking to you because you keep it real and because we can have fun about all the crazy shit that we have to deal with every single day. So if, if something landed today, send to someone who needs to hear it. Find me @NicoleRFisher and everything NFI @NicoleFisherInteriors. Patrick, where can we find you? You can find me on Instagram@PatrickM.Design or at BeauGest.design. Um, that's it. Amazing. All right, well, we'll see you next week. Thank you for being here, darling. Thank you. Bye. That's it for today. If something landed, send it to someone who really needs to hear this. Like, subscribe, come back next week. And if you need more in the meantime, you can find me @NicoleRFisher and everything NFI @NicoleFisherInteriors. See you next time. Transformers.